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Well... thanks I guess. I wouldnt classify this community as furry, but you never know who might be lurking around and he just might be gratefull for some nice sites with good art. Deviantart is one my favs anyways, so.. yea, thanks xD

Neither do scalies fully consider themselves furries, meh. ;)

Na'vi do not have pelts. This however is not the only thing which removes them from the furry fandom (as "scalies" are a part of the furry fandom despite the lack of fur). The Na'vi otherkin community is separate because they are just that, an otherkin community. We fall under the "otherkin" category and it is widely known that "otherkin" does not equal "furry", despite some similarities and the fact that one can be both furry and an otherkin.

This is a poor attempt to upset members of this community by comparing them to the furry fandom. (: However, it will not succeed.

Finally, thank you for posting links to sites which are very well-known and highly-circulated, those of us here on tothehometree were totally unaware of them.

I'm well aware what you believe.

Don't speak for the rest of the community, your opinion is only one.

Not everyone realizes the furry fandom is where they'll obtain most artwork or find other members, thanks.

Thank you SO much for giving me an image I did not want, a na'vi hide.(I've been known to keep pelts and flesh them if I hit an animal with my vehicle).

The thing is, on this there is only one opinion - it is not an abstract question to which the answer is a sliding scale, such as "is the Na'vi otherkin experience mental or spiritual to you?" It is a fact and an absolute, and the answer is that "Na'vi otherkin are not furries".

Your opinions/feelings are not shared by the whole. Many Na'vi call themselves furries. If you don't like it, that's your problem. If you don't want to relate with furries, just say, "I don't relate with the group."

I thought it was other people in this group causing a disturbance, you're proving otherwise.

I think you do not understand. My opinions and feelings on such matters as Na'vi reincarnation and spirituality and identifying with the Na'vi are not shared by the whole, because those are subjective matters, something different for everyone and subjects regarding which there are bound to be a multitude of viewpoints. What I am saying, and what you are debating for some reason is the plain fact that the otherkin community is not the same as the furry community. That otherkin are not the same as furries. There is no "opinion" to be had - it is a fact. You cannot have an opinion on whether you are currently on the internet, for example, as it is an absolute.

The two things are not the same, but similar in some ways. They are completely different things, though one can be both a Na'vi otherkin and a furry (and if an individual is, that is perfectly fine). There are bound to be Na'vi otherkin who are also furries. But otherkin is not the same as being a furry.

On a personal level, yes, I do not wish to relate much with furries, and yes, I do say "I do not relate with this group". All I am trying to tell you is that OTHERKIN is not the same as FURRY.

Allow me to explain.

A = "Otherkin"
B = "Furry"

Na'vi would be right smack dab in the middle there. They qualify as both. Not one, not the other, but both. No one ever said that otherkin were the same as furry, only that Na'vi are among those otherkin that ALSO qualify as furry.



Hopefully that will make this issue a little clearer for you.

Hopefully this will make the issue a little clearer for you; Na'vi otherkin are otherkin and not furries, as the otherkin community and furry fandom are similar things but definitely not the same, though an individual can be both. Na'vi otherkin are otherkin. Do you understand?

Do explain how Na'vi /otherkin/ qualify as furry. Na'vi furries would qualify as furries. Na'vi otherkin qualify as otherkin. Do explain how Na'vi OTHERKIN count as furries.

hmm. I now know where you're coming from in regards to your argument.

Here is what I've noticed since I've been around everyone, particularly those who are dragons.

However, many consider otakukin and otherkin under the category of furries. Whether you like it or not, you can't define the differences in between the two to furries.

Furries do have severe belief concepts as well, there isn't any separation from otherkin besides the person stating such. The same goes for Otakukin.

You mentioned Dragoneer yesterday, I should mention he is a digimon. You don't see him stating he is Otakukin even though he does go in to the beliefs.

Look at all the ED articles you want, those articles are not a good definition for Otherkin unless you are wanting to be separate by being the, "Obsessed crazy fanatic."

Again, it is not up to you to define what the Na'vi / Na'kin are and what they are not. Generally, if one is a 'kin of a species that can be considered 'furry', the 'kin can be considered 'furry' as well. Dragons, Gryphons, etc. as primary example.

Na'vi can be considered 'furry' due to their animal-like features, their appearance is somewhere between anime catgirls and full-on anthro - it bears repeating here that a creature doesn't have to have fur on it's body to be a 'furry'. Catlike ears, large feline eyes and nose, tail, skin patterning much like those of animals, and bodies with an affinity for flexibility and leanness... like cats.

In any case, you're quite on the defensive about the issue... as if the possibility of being associated with furs was an insult. It's not, unless you think they're all like the stereotypes, which you claim not to.

You really need to get over this thing you have against furry as a genre. Yeah there are a lot of people in the fandom that are pretty freakish... but... pots and kettles and all that. Like every single other community based around a form of fantasy, there are people who take it too far, and you shouldn't judge an entire community of people against a few loudmouth jackasses. It's very un-Na'vi of you to be so prejudiced.

I am aware that there are various people in every fandom and group that are extreme, and aware that the most vocal and well-known faction are often the minority and therefore not representative. I do not have anything against "furry as a genre" (and here I will say that incidentally clearly Na'vi can be prejudiced, as with humans in the film). All I was doing was stating that Na'vikin are part of the otherkin community, not the furry community, and therefore not furry.

Again, your opinion.

You don't have to like it, and seriously I don't care what you think.

I don't see what other furries would have against Na'vi, unless this is one of those moronic anti-dragon things people go on and bash about. Though I'd laugh if someone told them... F*** you, I'm a Na'vi.

I do not have to like what? The furry fandom? Yes, thank you for your permission, it is good to know that I may go ahead and have my own opinion.

It seems that you are not aware of the history of this community and the abuse we have been getting from furries on Twitter. I do not see what some furries would have against Na'vi 'kin, but some of them do harbor us ill feeling, regardless whether you are aware of it or not and regardless of the fact that other furries do not feel the same.

hmm?

Link? Are you sure they're furries and not the people from 4chan?

Yes, I am sure they are furries and not people from 4chan. Some of the tweets came from Dragoneer. Others came from other members of the furry community. Simply clicking "@naviotherkin" there were many abusive tweets directed at me by members of the furry community. There were also supportive and pleasant tweets directed at me by members of the furry community, do not think I discount these. A blog entry was written about it and much is being made on the internet about "the Na'vi otherkin versus the furries!" The LiveJournal community furrydrama had their little piece of the fun by creating a thread about this community and there were many abusive comments posted.

I am surprised that you are not aware of the fission between members of the furry fandom and members of the Na'vi 'kin community (note that I say "members of"; as in some people in each of the groups, not the entire groups themselves). However, now you know. I would say to you now that you may be a member of the furry community but you can obviously have no way of knowing everything that is going on within it and the thoughts of all of its members; and as such if someone says something like "some furries have danced in Spain" you cannot post and say that no such thing occurs just because you are not aware of it.

Not all of those people you RTd in your twitter posts were furries, and certainly neither were the all the people posting earlier. You seem to be really stuck on this whole "fursecution" game.

As it is my Twitterfeed I am aware that not every single person I retweeted was a furry. A number however, were. What about the people posting earlier? Did I mention them at all and say that they were furries? No.

There can be no "fursection" because Na'vi otherkin are otherkin/otakukin and not furries.

I would guess that the reason the furries are targeting you is because you're constantly talking about them as if they're scum. They don't like that any more than you do.

Again, you are one of these people, it seems, who is talking about the situation without knowing the full extent or the backstory. Some furries (not "the furries", as you say) targeted me, mocked and flamed and bashed, before I ever mentioned them. I began "talking about them as if they're scum" afterwards. It is not right and I will not defend it; I am merely pointing out that they definitely started on me and were abusing Na'vi otherkin before I ever said anything. They are the ones that started it.

It doesn't matter who started it. What matters is who ends it. Ignore them and you'll live a much happier and less stressful life. Anyone who's going to mock you on the internet just wants to get a rise out of you; don't feed the bloody trolls.

The Na'vikin trolls are presumably really enjoying getting a rise out of YOU.

However, every time you speak of the furry community, you do so in a condescending, belittling, or otherwise negative manner. There aren't really many other conclusions to draw from that, at least not based on your behavior.

Whether or not Na'vi are "furry" is pretty much entirely dependent on point of view, and everybody's is different. There are plenty of types of otherkin that also can be considered furry; dragonkin and therians being the most obvious, as I'm sure you - with your considerable intellect - are already aware. It's not really up to you to decide what qualifies the Na'vi as furry, otherkin, or anything - that would be James Cameron's job, and he'd probably laugh his ass off at all of this.

There is little that you have demonstrated about yourself that supports your claim of being connected to this peace-loving, compassionate, empathic, forward-thinking race. You incessantly try to establish your superiority/authority on all things Na'vi related even though I'd put money on the bet that you never had a hand in the development or concept work that went into creating the species and it's philosophy. When called on inconsistencies in your statements, you react with anger and large amounts of snark. You put people down with little basis other than they disagree with your views on the Na'vi, and you're constantly on the defensive against things that are better ignored (ED, for example). This is not the kind of behavior that someone who is an enlightened member of an advanced species should exhibit - unless they're severely damaged and in need of help.

Kanga was not comparing the Na'vi to furries.

A furry is not an insult.

We support the Na'vi community, Shey'bu.

As I have stated above, I did not take it as an insult and was not implying that you did not support us (though, I have to ask, who is "we"? Many members of the furry fandom have outright mocked us). I posted because I was emphasizing that Na'vi /otherkin/ are not /furries/. Kanga's post sounded like an attempt to cause drama, and as we have been seeing a lot of that lately you will understand my reaction to his message.

You've obviously bumped in to the wrong furries.

...Yes? Obviously? Thank you for that.

I suppose it was not clear that I knew this despite having said "I am aware that the minority is not representative of the whole".

I understand. Trolls are always lurking, after all.

It seemed pretty innocuous to me, though. He mentioned "furry artists" for both DA and FA, but the only implication I can see is that Kanga thought that people here would like the art of furries. I don't think that's a bad assumption. I've seen Na'vi art here and there around FA. And DA would definitely have some fine pieces.

Acualy Otherkin and just plain humans were bashing on twitter to I seen it when i found the Twitter group. Humans and Otherkin are laughing their heads off. Calling us crazy ect for beleiving in WHO we are. I also seen alot of furries do the same thing and furring calling us AND otherkin BOTH nuts. Though i DO have 2 furr friends who are VERY open minded and stick to themselves and to me lol. But ya so it's going both ways in both communities.

How do I transform myself into a blue person?

I am genuinely curious, also.

LMAO I C U OVER HERE

I'm trying to transform into a blue person. I wonder if this requires me to convert religions?

first off, you gotta ditch the hot guy in your icon. requirement. i wouldn't be strong enough bb, not me.

If you're serious.
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